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Please see my answer to jaredmsmith -> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19532560

In addition to that, and I'm going to approach this delicately because some people are uncomfortable with facing this fact. But since you're on here I'm sure you know this. If you have a cell phone, used a credit reporting agency (Equifax?) or used almost any website in the past 10 years, you're already being tracked and your data has already been stolen in, on average, one data breach a month to advertise or politically manipulate you. The horse has already left the barn. Your life is right now being sold and resold every millisecond.

But I'm doing you a favour. Because I'm giving your life away for free.

And that data is freely disseminated to everyone not just because it stands as unassailable proof an AI performed a difficult computation on human behaviour and earned those coins but because it's important that everyone knows the truth about events in the natural world for science, democracy, health, justice and all rational decision making. An embargo on stupidity and ignorance in that node's corner of the world at least. Advantage must then come from helpful innovation not parasites rent seeking on people's data.



To keep up with your analogy: I'm here mending the fences of my farm to keep the horses from running, and you are using a bolt cutter on my gates. It's without my permission, and goes directly against my wishes.

Some of us are still actively working on making the world a secure place. It can be done... but not with a project like this. It certainly doesn't help that this style of thinking plays right into the Mr Zuckerberg's hands.

> But I'm doing you a favour. Because I'm giving your life away for free.

I think I'm going to be sick...


You're obviously a very intelligent and talented individual to have created this, frankly amazing, system, and to articulate your reasons for doing so.

But I fundamentally disagree with the notion of total surveillance as a remedy to asymmetric surveillance. You obviously think this would benefit the world, but the endgame looks like a dystopian nightmare to me.

I really wish you would have used your talents for "good rather than evil", looking at ways to prevent surveillance rather than increase it.


Well said, particularly:

> I really wish you would have used your talents for "good rather than evil", looking at ways to prevent surveillance rather than increase it.

It just takes a little more thought on the problem to understand that removing all privacy is an instant and irreversible one way ticket to a dystopian outcome.

OP suggests privacy is dead? Lol. I bet there are curtains on their house. I bet they goes to work wearing clothes. I bet they have sex behind closed doors... All of these are basic indicators that we have parts of ourselves and our lives that we like to keep private.

Ask any woman whose private parts have been published on the internet without their consent and they'll mention the shame and the violation they feel.


You're looking at something and calling it 'surveillance' because you don't yet have a word to describe the entire thing. It's too new so you see it through your 'old eyes'. You noticed there was a camera involved and you knew what that was so you ran with it.

It's the proverbial blind man whose hand has happened to land on the tusk and he tells his companions, "It's a spear!". You're not seeing the whole elephant because you've never seen one.

It benefits you when other people have knowledge about the world. It benefits you if other people have the knowledge to drive safely. It benefits you that your neighbours have a basic knowledge of germ theory and don't throw their sewage in the streets like medieval peasants. It benefits you that your fellow voters have at least a basic education and can make somewhat informed decisions. It benefits you that medical knowledge isn't locked away in some vault in Alexandria but it's in the mind of the doctor whose preventing an outbreak of some disease you happen to be susceptible to.

Did you not read the things I was able to learn just from my first node? We can give so many people free access to information that would push back darkness, fear and superstition just a little further. And these people would do and build things that would make your life better.

So instead of channelling the Archbishop of Canterbury telling Bible translator John Wycliffe that too much knowledge will corrupt the commoners, open your eyes.


I think what you've done here is interesting, fascinating even - but also terrifying, and better belonging in the realm of sci-fi, rather than the real world.

You talk about undeniable benefits knowledge, giving specific examples - yes, there are many examples where knowledge is useful and can improve lives, but I really don't see how knowing what time my neighbour takes a dump will benefit myself or humanity (a crude example, but you get the idea).

> Did you not read the things I was able to learn just from my first node

I guess you mean the "Use Cases" section on the linked page. Yes, I read those, and they played a large part in my comment you are replying to. For example:

> A citizen or public servant who wants to know what any citizen or (rival) public servant is doing at this moment or has ever done before

Sorry, I value my privacy and that of others. And this was the nail in the coffin:

> I now know most of my neighourhood's average height, individual walking gait identification pattern, estimated salary based on car model, family structure, daily schedules, how many (visibly) pregnant women, on what days in July the guy across the street mowed his lawn, the pattern he mowed it in the 8th time and that it was the same day my other neighbour had 5 guests over for a get together. I can rewind and replay it from multiple angles in 3D. If I really want, I can convert it to spreadsheet format, etc.

Just.... no. Please.


That data may be trash to you but to a sociologist, to an economist, to an epidemiologist, to an anthropologist, to a historian, to a city planner, to a property developer, to an investment firm, to an insurance company, to a kinesiologist and on and on... it's TREASURE.


...and I treasure my privacy.


Then don't install a Twitch streaming video camera in your bathroom. And don't order a custom t-shirt with your banking password printed across the chest. This isn't rocket science.

If you're out and about in view of others, you don't have privacy. By definition of what we call "privacy" that is the exact opposite of privacy.

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