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I wouldn't say that education is the antidote to war; rather, I'd say that education is the vaccine for war.


> I wouldn't say that education is the antidote to war; rather, I'd say that education is the vaccine for war.

Based on what? Education doesn't seem to have reduced the incidence of war.

Since education made large scale war possible....


Were the Nazis and the USSR and the rest of the western world well educated?


Germany, in the first half of the 20th Century, could probably claim to be one of the most civilised and educated countries in the world.

It started two World Wars.

I guess education and war go hand in hand. Perhaps what Adams should have said is, economic integration is the antidote to war. Not as catchy, though.


Someone else commented on Germany between 1900 and 1950.

Japan was easily the most educated country in Asia before WWII.

I don't know how Italy stacks up to the rest of Europe, but Italy was far more educated than Ethiopia before invading it before WWII.


Death by violence has, though, increased drastically since hunter gatherer societies: http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_pinker_on_the_myth_of_violen...


I think you mean decreased. +1 for the talk, that was very inspiring.


Oh my goodness, yes, horrible typo, I meant decrease.


I find that highly, highly implausible. No way hunter gatherers can have killed on the scale we have this past century.


The calculation is by percentage of population, not absolute deaths.


If we're talking ratio of killer to killed, the ratio is much more horrific for the past century.


Yes, but that ratio is fairly useless, no?


I'd say Christianity has been the most successful large scale war restraining ideology. Not that it is perfect, but name a better large scale ideology.


I'm not sure the historical record bears that out. The problem that popular moral philosophies have is that over time they accrete rationalizations for allowing their adherents to do what they wanted to do anyways. Thats one reason why converts, who might not have been exposed to the culture surrounding these ideas, are often the most fanatical.


Free markets married to wide-scale individual liberty protected by a democratically elected representative government.


The Democratic Peace Theory, this is called, if I recall correctly.


If you are referring to America, all the founding fathers thought a Christian religious foundation was essential to such a system working. As it is, the system is falling apart rapidly today as we abandon our religious foundation.


all the founding fathers thought a Christian religious foundation was essential to such a system working

What? You're misinformed. Adams didn't believe that for one. A quote from the Treaty of Tripoli, ratified by the Senate in 1797 and signed by John Adams: "The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion." The vote was unanimous, there was no public dissent, and Adams had the following to say about the treaty (emphasis mine): "I John Adams, President of the United States of America, having seen and considered the said Treaty do, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, accept, ratify, and confirm the same, and every clause and article thereof."

I'm not trying to argue that Christian principles aren't present in our history (they are). But you're regurgitating a common talking point in an attempt to rewrite history.


> ...name a better large scale ideology.

OK. Civil rights.

Have two countries that grant full legal equality to both men and women ever gone to war?


Germany had women's suffrage in 1919 and proceeded to go to war against almost everyone. Poland, Norway, Russia, UK, USA, Netherlands, Sweden, and other allies all had women's suffrage by WWII.


Wikipedia: women could vote in the USA since 1920, and in the USSR since 1917. Though the Cold War was more of a series of proxy wars and an arms race.

But the argument in the grandparent post is not supported by history either. The military monk orders of the Crusades are just one example.


The crusades were a defensive battle in response to Islam militantly taking over previously Christianized Africa and eastern Europe.


I think they're all pretty much equally bad. I mean... inter-European wars from fall of the Roman Empire to the 17/18th centuries was pretty much all amongst proclaimed Christian nations and kingdoms.

Not only does Chritianity as a whole create yet another tribe for people to get divided by and fight over, it doesn't even enforce it's tribal rules (failing not killing, at least try to kill only the infidels) that well. Spanish history will attest to that. And even then it can manage to fracture itself and attempt to rip each other part into pieces.

I don't think the idea of 'but they're my brother in faith' ever really stopped someone from going to war when they realize 'hey, they just took my land'.




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