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Give me a decent un-networked EV and I’ll buy it immediately. Until then I’ll keep my ICE vehicle. Which will probably be until they’re eventually banned, because I don’t think a decent un-networked EV is ever going to exist.


It's unfair to ask for an un-networked EV when basically nobody is even making un-networked ICE vehicles anymore.


It’s very simple to find a high quality ICE vehicle that is not substantially networked to remote services, or at least that you can easily disconnect. I brought a brand new one very recently, nobody is able to remotely control the vehicle, and the only surveillance instruments in the car are the ones I choose to carry around with me.


What make and model?


Dacia Sandero would tick that box. I don't think the Toyota Yaris is connected either.


Any modern car can be remote controlled by plugging a device into the port used by comma.io

If you're really worried about the agencies hijacking you to kill you, you're gonna need to buy vintage.


Not kill. Control. Like Tesla deleting features that the original owner paid for. Like BMW charging a monthly fee to activate features already built into the car. Like UI updates that are automatic and make options worse but you can't stop the updates.


Being harmed is also a concern. I don’t own any other products where a software bug or compromised system has quite the same potential to physically harm me.

But underlying that is the fact that there are no networked features that I personally want my car to have. So however small the risks (of both physical harm and being effected by bizarre networked car dark patterns), they are risks that I would be taking exclusively for the benefit of the manufacturer of the product for which I am supposedly the customer. As long as there is an acceptable alternative to such a product, I will always choose the alternative.


>Like Tesla deleting features that the original owner paid for.

If you think this has happened, I believe you are mistaken. But I'm open to hearing evidence.


It’s going to be increasingly more difficult to find an un-networked vehicle period.


Is there something that makes the electric Volkswagens, Hyundais, Nissans, Chevys and Fords different from the conventional cars?


Greed.

More seriously, a natural obsolescence from dead battery packs that are BER.


Un-networked? My wife's Bolt just has OnStar, which has nothing to do with it being an EV -- all GM vehicles have come with OnStar for years now. Pretty easy to disable it, too.


Is it not possible to take a Tesla off of the network by physically disconnecting something?


You could just take the SIM card out and never connect it to wifi.

Things like navigation can be done on-board (proven when in zero connectivity area), and playing MP3s from a USB can replace spotify.

No idea what it might start complaining about long term though when it can't talk to the backend for extended periods.




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